Companies use it in advertising discounted goods and deals. I've seen tartan clad images extolling the savings to be had from Floridian garden centres to French bags for life. Other nations portray us as tight wads who'd rather die than spend a penny on an indulgence. Take a wander in Southern Germany and grimace while the locals explain to you why the Scots are similar to their covetous, grasping, money obsessed Swabian neighbours...
I don't know the origins of where this reputation for parsimony came from. I suppose a people traditionally never more than a wage packet away from poverty have had every right to be frugal and careful with their money. But to be openly chided as being money obsessed, well it's a bitter pill to swallow. Dr Johnston's quip about oats when he grandly rumbled "a grain which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people" perhaps set the tone. I would have had a lot more respect for Boswell if he'd turned round and lamped the good Doctor rather than obsequiously titter at his wit and erudition. The twat.
Since Charles Dickens misread an Edinburgh gravestone marked 'Ebeneezer Lennox Scroggie - Meal Man' and somehow contrived it to read as 'Ebeneezer Scrooge - Mean Man' and thus created the archetypal Scottish miser in 'A Christmas Carol' we've all been screwed. Even Robert Louis Stevenson gave us the truly wretched miser Ebeneezer Balfour in 'Kidnapped'. Disney got in on the action as early as 1943 when they created the prototype for Scrooge McDuck in this propaganda film that was supposed to stop honest working Ducks from spending their dosh on zoot suits and hootchy cootchy red hot mamas and spend it on tax for guns instead...
The above film was supposedly banned, not for the couthy but biased depiction of the Scot, but instead for suggesting that taxes should be used for guns -- mmkay guns are bad...
The writers of the Beverly Hillbillies created Milburn Drysdale, the greedy Scottish American banker who tried to steal the Clampett's money and stop them spending on luxuries. Generations of kids around the world have grown up with the Glaswegian Scrooge McDuck as their dominant example of what a Scot is like and how we react to money and its non spending. In The Simpsons we have the two best known 'Scots' in the world in C. Montgomery Burns, as a Scottish-American miserly Billionaire and arguably the most famous Scot of them all, Groundskeeper Willie. A man not known for his profligate ways...
So it's fair to say that culture has given us a reasonable kicking as stingy tightwads. Proof of our nations generosity during the annual charity whine-a-thons is always mentioned on our local news but only ever raised for comic effect down south, where it is suggested that we donate more per head, because -- we have to.
In the world of reality even Andrew Carnegie, possibly the greatest philanthropist the world has ever known, a man who gave away £80 million for libraries around the world was regarded by the London and American press as a miser, because he didn't tip in restaurants...
In political life, despite all evidence to the contrary, the hard of thinking Unionists trot out the timeless nugget that all Scots are state subsidised spongers too mean and miserly to let go of London's benefits largesse...
All my life I've fought against this mince, believing that the people and friends I see around me, are generous to a fault, give freely to charity, man the stalls and barricades, lend a hand, support each other. That Scots are far removed from this hurtful and malicious sterotype.
That was until I had a look at the results of the latest poll done by the Scottish Social Attitudes survey, conducted by Professor
Ha, they laugh in the face of Independence. I had a look at the poll and yeah verily it stated that when 1,495 folk in Scotland were asked for their Constitutional preference, a mere 23% of the face painted, die hard, deep fried mars bar warriors expressed a desire for an Independent Scotland.
So that's it then, the game is indeed a bogey, there's no point in continuing with the struggle, nuts to all that as-long-as-one-hundred-of-us-are-still-standing malarkey...We're well and truly rammed up the chuffhole without a puggle.
But wait one wee minute, further down the poll, in fact the very last part, has this thoroughly wordy, but worthy set of questiona:
Say that it was clear that if Scotland became an independent country, separate from the rest of the UK, taxes would be the same as now.
In those circumstances, would you be in favour or against Scotland becoming an independent country?
Now, let us say it was clear that if Scotland became an independent country, (separate from the rest of the UK), people would on average pay an extra £500 a year in tax.
In those circumstances would you be in favour or against Scotland becoming an independent country?
And, say it was clear that if Scotland became an independent country (separate from the rest of the UK) people would on
average pay £500 less a year in tax.
In those circumstances would you be in favour or against Scotland becoming an independent country?
Taxes same | TaxesUp | Taxes down | |
% | % | % | |
Strongly in favour/in favour | 36 | 16 | 45 |
Neither in favour/nor against | 23 | 15 | 17 |
Against/Strongly against | 38 | 66 | 35 |
Don’t know | 2 | 2 | 3 |
Sample size | 1495 | 1495 | 1495 |
So look at that, if your average tight fisted miserly Jock can be persuaded that he or she will save £500 a year on their tax bill they'll be quite happy to vote for an Independent Scotland, all for the saving of roughly £1.37 a day. A jump from 23% to 45% in favour of Independence all for the saving of £500. To those 22% arrivistes, you cheap, miserable, miserly 90 minute patriots, you're selling your countries future for the equivalent of a Daily Record and a Mars bar a day.
Imagine how many more of these free loading bastards would sign up if we could show them that an Independent Scotland, successful in business and society could save them a grand a year?







7 comments:
T'was all Jamie the Saxt's fault.
As he went down to That London to claim his Kingship, he was met on the way by hundreds, if not thousands of English nobles and merchants all very keen to sook up to the new King.
He got so fed up of the grovelling merchants offering money for knighthoods, he mocked them all by "knighting" a beef roast, which is why we have sirloin steaks.
Yet all the money did not readily "trickle down" to his Scots entourage; used to a poorer economy, when dealing with innkeepers, would exclaim "A groat for nicht in a pile o' straw!? Get tae fuck, ye robbin' English cunt!"
Or words to that effect...
Wha's like us?
Now for the serious side. Using all my thumbs and fingers and the latest HMRC report on the number of taxpayers in Scotland...
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/table2-2.pdf
I guestimate that the 2.6million taxpayers saving £500 a year equates to a grand total of £1.3 billion per annum...
Now anyone still awake, want to tell me how much Scotland was in surplus according to the latest GERS figure?
The Germans as you correcting observe, have embraced Scottish closeness to their wallet, with the concept of Schottenware and Schottenpreis - usually illustrated by a man in a kilt - being widespread.
The tightwad Scot is not universal. In Spain it is the Catalans who are the Scots/Aberdonians of parsimony.
However in most of Europe it is the Dutch who are reviled/admired for parsimony; I have a German friend who used to go on driving holidays, and if he father saw saw more than two cars with Dutch number plates in a restaurant knew they would get value for money. They are very much in the 'never mind the quality, feel the width' mindset
I have a vague idea the image of being tightwads is something to do with the dreadful presbyterian past, when we didn't have sex for fear it could lead to dancing as well as being misers.
It doesn't really go with the image of being amazing drunkards though does it, never mind all the riding around on horses cutting people's heads off a la Braveheart.
I think the only conclusion that can be drawn is that national stereotypes are garbage & that goes for all of them, not just ours.
I haven't delved too deeply into this particular survey as generally I think they are mince, but I did notice that most respondents thought that social security should be devolved.
You see that quite a lot - people think that all the accoutrements of a state should be devolved, without actually being independent.
It's the breaking up Britain bit that people don't like, & we would be fools if we thought that the financial crisis hadn't given a lot of people cold feet.
Events, dear boy, do tend to intervene & it is quite apparent to me that the various sovereign debt crises arranged by the money men have somewhat set the case for independence back a bit.
However in real life people would, I think, be quite happy for more fiscal autonomy & control over policy, just don't call it independence as that is a bit scary in the current climate.
A belated response is here.
Many thanks David, for those of you wary of clicking on links, here's David's response from his blog Freedom and Whisky...
PS I'm glad you're staying ;)
Wednesday, December 08, 2010
The Scottish taxpayer and the English whine
A few weeks ago I tried to answer a claim made by William Gruff over on Nourishing Obscurity.
Mr Gruff had written:
The last time I looked at the figures there were just one hundred and sixty thousand or so net tax payers in Scotland, out of a population of five million
My reply went like this:
"There were 580,500 working in the public sector in the first quarter of 2007 – down 4,900 or 0.8% – compared to the same period last year.… It compares with almost two million workers who were employed in the private sector in Scotland in the first quarter of 2007."
Thanks to the Universality of Cheese I have been directed to this fascinating site from HMR&C.
It shows total taxpayers by regions and nations within the UK.
Scotland has 226,000 taxpayers in the last full fiscal year, not 160,000. Did you spot the deliberate mistake? That's 226,000 higher rate taxpayers in Scotland. The total number of all Scottish taxpayers is 2,590,000, which fits in with my earlier analysis.
I quoted higher rate taxpayer numbers to try and deal with the question of just who is a net taxpayer. Let's look at England. Total higher rate taxpayers down south are 2,660,000 out of 25,200,000 total taxpayers. So the Scottish and English numbers are pretty similar on a per capita basis. In other words, if only 160,000 Scots are net taxpayers it looks like the number for England would be about the same on a per-capita basis. Incidentally, note that the number of higher rate taxpayers in Scotland has risen by 35% since 1999/2000, while the equivalent rise in England was just 19%. And in the current tax year it is expected that numbers of higher rate taxpayers in Scotland will rise, but fall in England.
My case has never been that Scotland is some sort of economic superpower but that it is a boringly average part of the UK and indeed a boringly average part of Europe. It can survive perfectly well as an independent country.
The relentless anti-Scottish bile in the English media and blogosphere will probably lead to a split. As someone having both a Scottish and an English background I find that is a bit sad. But enough is enough. I believe that independence is now inevitable. Bring it on. I'm staying.
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